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    <pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:07:45 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Flickering amp needle</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19561/19561#msg-19561</link>
      <author>Paul Smith</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have a 1978 182R. I just installed a concord 24v battery. The next that I saw was the flicker of the amp needle on the panel. I cleaned the battery terminals, turned the master off and on a couple of times to no avail. It seems to still charge but with the flicker. 
Any one know why......Paul]]></description>
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      <title>Re: Property Tax on Airplane in North or South Carolina</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19252/19560#msg-19560</link>
      <author>Paul Smith</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You can beat the tax man by forming a LLC in Alabama. You need a Al. Address ie the law office... Call Dennis Odem's law office in Florance,Al. (256) 767-0096. He will advise you on this matter. Paul]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:30:40 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: 180 hp upgrade Fuel burn</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/7180/19554#msg-19554</link>
      <author>Al</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I used the 172Q climb and Cruise charts for Flight Planning and it was within 0.3 US Gallons. 

For the engine burn-in at full power I had 14 GPH at low altitudes with no leaning. The engine fuel flow chart at % rated power that came with the STC should be in the aircraft documents and it seems to give you a good cross reference to the theoretical fuel flows. The weight, temperature, leaning and density altitude will all affect the actual fuel flow.

There was an NTSB Letter on fuel consumption dated April 11, 1994 that you should also read. The Massachusetts Air Reserve also have some data on several 172P aircraft that were converted from 160HP to 180HP. The only discrepancy on the latter info is the Climb Speed. The 172Q with the 180HP engine has a climb speed of 73 KIAS but they seem to have kept the 172P climb speed of 76 KIAS. It may be due to the Fuel Weight. If anyone has the rationale for this difference, I would be interested in hearing it.     



David G. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
&gt; Hi,
&gt; 
&gt; I am purchasing a 1977 172 with the Pen Yan
&gt; conversion.  What are people finding for fuel burn
&gt; with this conversion.  We are trying to plan our
&gt; flight back to DXR from Valdosta, GA and would
&gt; like some practical information since the owner
&gt; has not collected great data on the subject.
&gt; 
&gt; Thanks
&gt; David]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 10:27:57 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>182RG</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19552/19552#msg-19552</link>
      <author>svpilot</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Just wondering if anyone knows about a conversion to a fuel injected engine from the stock carburated engine for the 182RG?
Thanks]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:13:30 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Strobes</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19543/19546#msg-19546</link>
      <author>Tom</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Most of the &quot;stand alone&quot; circuits are only protected enough to cover the accessory being powered. Most kits come with all of the necessary info or parts to complete the installation. A good alternative if you have to drill a hole in the panel is to install a c/b switch rated at whatever the system requires. The best system I have found, being user friendly, dependable and install friendly is Whelen. This system is a little pricey, the only other one I would consider is Aeroflash. Both of these come with all of the necessary STC paperwork...]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 11:20:11 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Strobes</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19543/19543#msg-19543</link>
      <author>Humberto</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I'm thinking of installing strobes on the wing tips on my 1968 skylane. right now it only has a rotating beacon type strobe on the tail. Would that be the circuit to install it on and would the available circuit breaker be sufficient to protect the amp draw. any suggestions on brands with good install instructions specific to this model airplane. I am A&amp;P/IA so I would be doing the installation myself.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:30:46 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>O/T? Is Customairmodels.com a scam?</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19542/19542#msg-19542</link>
      <author>SkyPilot594</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I'm like any of us.  I want to show my pride of ownership in my Cessna 172.  

So I ordered a wood model of my plane through Customairmodels.com.  They asked for a half deposit and promised the plane in 3 to 4 weeks.  That was eight weeks ago. Now I can't get a reply to my e-mails. 

Has anyone else dealt with this company?   Is the company a scam?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 00:53:16 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: c150-150</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/8611/19539#msg-19539</link>
      <author>Jeff Gold</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Supplemental type certificate, for the 0-320-e2D.
STC# SA1384CE.
Hope that helps Jeff]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:51:19 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Fuel starvation in 172</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/18187/19535#msg-19535</link>
      <author>livin the dream</author>
      <description><![CDATA[If you get completely stumped and cant find the problem check the venturi in the carb and make sure it is seated tightly.  To be honest i can not remember what the symptoms are when that comes loose but i do know they are not good.  I believe the engine will quit. Just something to check and try good luck]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:34:18 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>C310R deice boots inflate in flight above 6,000'</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19528/19528#msg-19528</link>
      <author>Murray Fuller</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have a 310R with new wing boots installed. They self inflate in flight above 6000', not fully, and dont deflate when selected. Isolated to right engine deice valves. Anybody run into this, and what was your fix. Wet vac. pumpswith good vac on both sides.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:31:25 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Aircraft salvage yards</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19507/19509#msg-19509</link>
      <author>CESSNADON</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I've purchased a number of items from Dawson. Their prices are reasonable and the service is great.. They have an excellent website where you can surf their inventory. I'm sure that they have much more than is listed on the website.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:29:42 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Aircraft salvage yards</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19507/19508#msg-19508</link>
      <author>Larry Stanford</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Lou,
A couple good places are 
[url=http://www.preferredairparts.com/]Preferred Airparts[/url] 
800-433-0814 Toll Free US &amp; Canada - 330-698-0280 International

and 

[url=http://www.aircraftpartsandsalvage.com/]Dawson Aircraft[/url]
877-293-5300]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 12:09:02 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Aircraft salvage yards</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19507/19507#msg-19507</link>
      <author>Lou</author>
      <description><![CDATA[anyone know of aircraft salvage yards around. if you have a telephone number also include that. I had a list several years old and most don't exist anymore. I would like to make a new list up. Wentworth is near me and I refuse to do business with them. most of their parts if they have them are just shy of new price since they use list price to determine discount. anyway, hopefully this post will help others if we can come up with a list

Lou]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:28:40 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Cessna NGP</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/18369/19506#msg-19506</link>
      <author>Albert</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Since the purchase of Columbia satisfies the nitch that the NGP was attempting to fill, I feel that Cessna has shelved the NGP.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:15:48 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Madras Super Tips 182</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/2101/19504#msg-19504</link>
      <author>Larry Stanford</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have a copy of the STC and II. I can't see anywhere that it's tied back to an ICW
Hope this helps]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:21:54 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: c150-aux tank</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/8611/19503#msg-19503</link>
      <author>paul</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Where can I get information about installation of a temporary 15 gallon aux tank for ferry purpose? This will be for a C150L.]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:44:18 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: c150-150</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/8611/19502#msg-19502</link>
      <author>paul</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hi,

I probably going to buy a C150 in Surinam and have to fly it all the way to Curacao. Since there are not that many airports enroute, I will probably have to install an aux tank. You mention in your story about a 15 gallon aux tank. Where can I get information about such a tank?
Looking forward for your reply and thank in advance,
Paul Verbist]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:40:27 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Madras Super Tips 182</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/2101/19498#msg-19498</link>
      <author>Dennis Lyons</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Good day Mr. Harrison,

I am importing a 182G into Canada for a customer of mine and they have teh super tips on the aircraft but we do not have a copy of the certification sheet that lists whether or not if there are any Instructions for continuing airworthiness or not.  If you do not know perhaps you might knwo someone we could contact.

Thank you,

Dennis Lyons
Director of Maintenance
Avipro Helicopters Ltd.
Edmonton, AB, Canada
780-418-2886]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:40:04 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Cessna Service Bulletin SEB07-5</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19215/19497#msg-19497</link>
      <author>Neval</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Please send me a copy of this SEB07-5 Bulletin.

Best Regards,  Neval.]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:11:40 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Mountain Flying Survival Clinic w/Sparky Imeson &amp; Rob Hunter 5/17/08</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19490/19490#msg-19490</link>
      <author>Susan Terrell</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Sparky Imeson and Rob Hunter will be presenting a day-long seminar Saturday, May 17th at 069, Petaluma, CA Airport in Sonoma County from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Cost is $30 per person. 

This is a great opportunity for pilots on the West Coast and particularly in Northern California to see and learn from Sparky Imeson in person. Sparky, the author of 'The Mountain Flying Bible' is, as many of you know, one of the premier Mountain/Backcountry flying experts in the world Mountain Flying LLC 

In addition to Sparky's excellent and informative three hour presentation, Rob Hunter of Prepared Pilot will be on hand in the afternoon to compliment Sparky's instruction with his 2 hour presentation on pilot survival in the wilderness with must-have information on the latest in pilot emergency/survival gear. Both Sparky and Rob will be available for an hour Q&amp;A at the end of the afternoon.

There will be a BBQ lunch available for purchase at minimal cost to be provided by the local Pilots Association. 

If you fly the Sierras; have thought about exploring Idaho or Utah; if you want to increase your knowledge and technique and learn from one of the best; if you want to get information on the latest and best technology available to keep a pilot safe in the event of an emergency ~ this is a rare opportunity to do so in Northern California. 

Please contact Susan Terrell at slterrel@earthlink.net to reserve a seat.  For additional information, contact Gary McDonald at (707)333-4464.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:48:26 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>safety belt under seat `LOCK`</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19485/19485#msg-19485</link>
      <author>Jeff</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Has anyone installed the kit themselves?I have on both seats.I may be able to help if you try it.Service kit SK 210-174.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:45:50 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Any opinions on a 1967 172 for a new pilot?</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/18586/19484#msg-19484</link>
      <author>jeff</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Make sure to look up all A.D.s and compliance.Check for rotting hoses above the headliner.Compression check &amp; oil analysis.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:27:57 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Fuel Cap Covers</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19483/19483#msg-19483</link>
      <author>Tech Support</author>
      <description><![CDATA[STAY-SEALED, Inc., a Lakeland, Florida based company has been researching and documenting an age-old problem of water/fuel contamination in general aviation aircraft. This research went back to the 1960's when the FAA and the NTSB started collecting data on all aircraft accidents. Aging aircraft, corroded fuel tank filler ports, deteriorated fuel cap seals and the cost of replacing aircraft parts are all major factors of this deadly problem. STAY-SEALED decided to take on this problem by designing and developing a sealed fuel cap cover. This lightweight, easy to install cover fits over and attaches to the existing cap. When installed, it creates a watertight seal around the filler port. Since the cover is to be installed at the same time as the pitot tube cover and the other factory safety devices, there is no need for expensive STC's or other approvals. The patented sealing and locking features have been in development for two years. The testing took this device through hurricane winds and rain. The cover has been temperature tested in freezing rain and snow. The Solar Light Lab has been testing the product under the ASTM G155 accelerated UV light and weather standards. STAY-SEALED says that NO deterioration of the seal or cover was noted after five years of UV light and weather. The aircraft insurance industry has reviewed this product and confirms the need for such a device based on the FAA data that was compiled. Several models have been developed which will fit most of the single engine aircraft fleet. The STAY-SEALED cap is now available in Cessna and Piper models.

For more information, call 1-888-618-APEX
or E-mail [email]info@apex-inc.biz[/email]]]></description>
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      <title>Re: Cessna 182 P</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19435/19478#msg-19478</link>
      <author>Crnalic</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Dear Mat,

Thank you.
I only now have all documents for my Cessna 182P.

Zlatan]]></description>
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      <title>Re: Wing Jig</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/7873/19475#msg-19475</link>
      <author>Janice</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Are you the one I am emailing already about this? Just making sure.

Thanks]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:36:16 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Towing ideas to save the back?</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19470/19473#msg-19473</link>
      <author>wrbrent</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have a small old garden tractor lawn mower that I use.  I made the tow bar and there is a ball on the front of the tractor.  It works well except it is hard to get on to at first.  After a couple of times it is OK.  The ball must be on the front so you can watch where you are pushing the plane.  A 4 wheeler would work except the hitch should be on the front.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:50:20 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Wing Jig</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/7873/19472#msg-19472</link>
      <author>Clay</author>
      <description><![CDATA[What is a good time to call and number?]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:52:57 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Towing ideas to save the back?</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/19470/19470#msg-19470</link>
      <author>D</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The area in front of my hangar is constantly getting potholes and gravel washed on it lately.  Also there is a sligth incline to overcome to push the plane back in the hangar.  This makes it backbreaking work to push and pull my 172 from my hangar to the taxiway if I am flying alone.  I have seen the &quot;power-tow&quot; devices, but I am hesitant to pay $1000 for one of these.  Has anyone ever rigged up a device to tow an airplane with a 4-wheeler?  I assume this can be done, but I have never seen it.  I assume I could get a trailer hitch attachment welded to a towbar and hook it up to an ATV.  Anyone seen this done or see any reason why this wouldn't work?
Input greatly appreciated.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:36:56 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Wing Jig</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/7873/19467#msg-19467</link>
      <author>Janice</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have fuselage, aileron, elevator, wing, etc jigs. Make an offer. In MT.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:33:39 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: c150-150</title>
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      <author>Jamey Bentley</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I am considering converting a C150 to the 150/150 configuration. Can anyone provide me with a contact for the STC?]]></description>
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