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    <title>C-162 Skycatcher Forum</title>
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    <description><![CDATA[Cessna has started pre-selling the all-new Skycatcher.  This forum is the premier meeting place for future Skycatcher owners.  Join in the discussion!]]></description>
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      <title>Re: Cessna Chooses China's Shenyang Aircraft Corporation as Manufacturing Partner for Model 162 SkyCatcher</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18608/19520#msg-19520</link>
      <author>K David</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Cessna fax 316.517.2772

Dear Cessna

Just a quick not to let you know how disgusted we are at the fact that China will be involved in building the new Skycatcher !!   I own a wonderful 172M model and was going to upgrading to a New 182 (My mind was maid up on the 182, since my business will now support that. But SADLY, as much as I have loved Cessna products I will NOT be looking at Cessna any longer for my next purchase, do to the fact that I stated above, BUILD IN THE USA!!! Cessna has really fallen off the edge on this one !  I'm fed up with company's like YOU !! And from what I am reading... so are a LOT of other people. (Read Cessna Owner May 2008 &quot;Air Mail&quot;  &quot;Message from irate Cessna Owner&quot;)  Cessna ?? YOU REALLY SUCK ON THIS ONE !!!

K Davis
Diversified Service 
Lodi, Ca.]]></description>
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      <title>Re: SkyCatcher - China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18670/19169#msg-19169</link>
      <author>Jon</author>
      <description><![CDATA[There's a reason CHINA doesn't sell cars in the U.S. It has nothing to do with cost and everything to do with safety. If they can't build a safe car what makes you think they can build a safe plane. Not gonna buy, not gonna fly, lost all interest.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:11:31 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: SkyCatcher - China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18670/18899#msg-18899</link>
      <author>reecedaniel</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I just read Cessna's response and I wonder if they don't watch the news or read the papers about the toxic pet foods produced in China, the lead based painted toys produced in China, the recalls of toxic personal items such as toothpaste produced in China?????

Like most of you, I will keep my 1967 Cessna and continue to maintain it rather than ever buy a Chinese Cessna. Cessna touts the quality control of the global aerospace industry but I'll bet the toy companies and pet food distribtors all said the same about their products when they started getting them from China.

Global industry is not a bad thing but in this case, China has a bad track record and I don't trust them.
JMHO.
Reece
N3854J]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:34:54 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: SkyCatcher - China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18670/18823#msg-18823</link>
      <author>John</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I agree.

This airplane will never be flown, rented, or sold by me.

Clyde Cessna must be rolling in his grave.

If its so cheap to make it in China, why does it cost as much as a high quality US, or European LSA?  Answer: GREED.

Shame on Cessna...]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:48:05 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Made in China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18613/18819#msg-18819</link>
      <author>Rick Turner</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I'm not in the market for a new A/C now but I guarantee you all I wouldn't buy a Chinese made plane.
I looked at the RV series hard until I found out they're made in the Phillipenes.At least that country is one that's friendly to the USA and not one that's trying to take over the world,,one cheap trinket at a time.
I advise everyone in any case to avoid Chinese products as a whole,not just food and toys.They are a big part of the problem with ~$4.75 fuel prices.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:25:54 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: SkyCatcher - China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18670/18817#msg-18817</link>
      <author>helpdesk</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Cessna responds: &quot;Making the Case for China&quot;

http://www.cessnaskycatcher.com/home/124.html]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:52:15 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: SkyCatcher - China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18670/18795#msg-18795</link>
      <author>Ed Khan</author>
      <description><![CDATA[hmmmmmmmmmmmmm,
well, am split up, is having a cheaper entry level cessna good for aviation?
however, my two cents worth, rather fly a vintage 150. restore it with a brand spanking engine, and with new bright color scheme.
guess i still like my airplanes the old-fashioned way. lol
regards,
ed:)]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:13:49 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Cessna Chooses China's Shenyang Aircraft Corporation as Manufacturing Partner for Model 162 SkyCatcher</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18608/18772#msg-18772</link>
      <author>Joe P.</author>
      <description><![CDATA[LARRY,

Remos aircraft is doing just what you suggested, offering $5K credit for those who put down a deposit on the 162, to switch to the Remos G3 instead.

It's a German-made composite high-wing that looks very nice on their website, their plane looks very similar to the FlightDesign CT.

You've got until 12-31-2007 to place your order with them to get the credit. See: http://www.remos.com/en/news.php?item=092707

If I were in your shoes, I'd give them a phone call.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:16:23 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Made in China</title>
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      <author>AL</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I AGREE, WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE TO AMERICAN WORKER, NO MORE CESSNAS FOR ME!!!!! P.S. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ORDERED A CHINA/162.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:51:04 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Cessna Chooses China's Shenyang Aircraft Corporation as Manufacturing Partner for Model 162 SkyCatcher</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18608/18761#msg-18761</link>
      <author>LARRY</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Well, jplaxton00, as a 'private' buyer who purchased a SkyCatcher on the first day of Oshkosh '07, I can tell you that I will likely NOT follow thru  with the purchase - in PROTEST! - even though that means I'll lose $5K.  I'm drawing MY personal &quot;line in the sand&quot; with this ridiculous Chinese manufacturing location decision.  As aptly pointed out, Cessna and Harley ARE U.S. manufacturing icons and, as a consequence, have a duty and obligation to our Country to uphold that reputation.  Apparently, Jack Pelton doesn't agree and puts a few dollars of bottom line ahead of the inherent value of it's Cessna 'brand' ... now very seriously damaged.  ALL the blogs aren't talking about the design shortcomings of the airplane (and they ARE there), they're moaning about the Chinese decision.  How many folks have to write with this common complaint before Jack listens?  THIS CEO is so busy making his shareholders happy (and collecting his own bonuses and perks) that he isn't listening to the source of the revenues ... da CUSTOMER!  Maybe he thought it wouldn't matter or maybe he just didn't think ... but he sure as heck knows about the unhappiness of the faithful rank and file NOW.  So the BIG question is ... what's he gonna DO about it?  

Buyers at Oshkosh were lead to believe that only sub-assemblies would be fabricated &quot;someplace&quot; overseas to speed U.S. production while final assembly and customization, flight test and delivery would occur here. Further, Cessna created a buyer's frenzy with that big red sold count board.  In actuality, they had revealed the airplane on Saturday PM to its dealers and many of the first surge of Monday's orders were from dealers, not private individual buyers, like myself.  We didn't know that then.

Cessna has sold about $110million of SkyCatchers but only collected $5 million in deposits.  If many of the buyers walk away from this thing - despite their individual losses - Cessna better start renting ramp space in China to park 'em all.  Oh well, I guess they'll use the deposits from folks who walk away from this airplane in protest to pay for it so it won't matter to Cessna's 'bottom line.' Buyers WILL unite and cause Cessna a heckuva lot more in lost good will, lost business and legal fights than it saves by building this CHESSNA in China. I hope that red sold count board runs in both directions, Jack.  Do you realize that you have now obligated Cessna to the difference between $5million in deposits and $110million in airplanes?  You're going to have to build the airplane before you find out the people who ordered it walked away!  You better hope many other's don't do what I am gonna do or you've just lost something in between those figures.  And if you raise the price to make up for buyers who walk, you'll cause still more to walk.  I'm screwed for $5K.  You're screwed for the delta between $5M and $110M.  Buying an airplane is a discretionary event available only to those with financial independence.  Those that fall into this category can - and will - walk if it suits them without great harm if something displeases them.  If the CEO of Cessna doesn't care, maybe he CEO of Textron does?

I'm headed to Sebring in the next weeks and am hoping I can find a Flight Design dealer willing to absorb some or all of my CHESSNA deposit loss.  If so, I'll just walk away from the SkyCatcher.  In the end, Cessna is going to wish it never made this decision.  Unfortunately, 'ol Jack is the Chairman, CEO, and President and all HE has to do is pull the big red handle on his BRS golden parachute.  The rest of us have to live with his ridiculous decision.

If Harley Davidson announced that they're going to build all their new Hogs in China, a hoard of bikerboys would show up in Milwaukee and beat the CEO into oblivion.  Airplane people, on the other hand, are more sophisticated ... they'll speak with their feet and wallets and send their money to a Company who listens to its customers (and comes up with a great gen III design! - sic).

Shame on you, Jack Pelton.  By your own admission above, you KNEW you were gonna build this CHESSNA in China at Oshkosh...but hid it from us.  Well, get ready for the consequences of that decision!  You were running a scam trying to collect deposits before you &quot;sprang&quot; the China decision on us.  You have destroyed the purity of the name Cessna for the maximization of instant up front profit.  You'd better redouble your efforts to get these 'things' built and sold cuz every day you wait, the people who signed up will go elsewhere.  While you're at it, you'd better lower the price by $10K, as well.  WalMart does it ... so should you!  If those who can live with the Chinese decision stick with you, at least they should be rewarded with a falling price &quot;well south of 100K&quot; like Cessna originally tempted us with.

You will NEVER convince me that you couldn't build this airplane 100% in the good 'ol USA for the money you are charging ... period!

I see myself as a member of the very core of people Cessna ought to be courting.  I currently own a C172M, learned to fly in a C150 and have owned other Cessnas in my 36 years of piloting. I'm getting older and see LSA as the means to keep flying until I determine it's time to drive my Corvette full time.  I'm not moving UP in their line, I'm moving down because my mission and interests are changing.  I waited for Cessna to make their decision, was led to conclude that they had done everything right and have now had it stuck right where the sun don't shine.  I want my $5K back, Jack. (HEY! ... that sounds like a good cowboy song title).  I may not get my deposit back but Cessna is gonna know it has been in a $5K fight when I am done with 'em.  

The China manufacturing decision won't be reversed.  The best thing Cessna can do NOW for folks like myself who can't live with this decision is to be strong enough to offer them their deposits back.  Only THAT will revive the good name &quot;Cessna&quot; that Clyde gave it so many years ago.  Nothing less will do.

And the best thing OTHER LSA manufacturers can do for the folks who erroneously trusted Cessna to do the right thing is to lower THEIR prices by $5K for those who can verify they've ordered a SkyCatcher.  That'll invigorate THEIR bottom line and teach Cessna a good lesson in the process.  Maybe you should make that discount $4k ... the $1K difference will teach ME to never fall for a scam again.  It was almost embarrassing to see the lack of prospects at other LSA vendors at Oshkosh while the SkyCatcher had hoardes surrounding it.  Now it's time for the vendors who were negatively impacted by Cessna to get a blow in.

Bottom line:  I thought I was buying a mostly US made airplane.  Since I'm not, I'm NOT going to trust the same folks who poisoned our dogs and tried to kill our kids to build me an airplane that won't - likewise - try to kill me.  If I'm going to buy a foreign made airplane, I'm going to go to the folks who build BMWs and Mercedes Benz, not crap.  I can deal with a cheap Chinese wrench that fails; I am not going to trust my life to the same folks.  And if I'm going to pay an exorbitant price - well NORTH of $100K - then I want the airplane's quality to that matches the price.  Bye bye, Cessna.  Good luck...you're gonna need it.

Flight Design ... Matthias, Christian, Tom ... are ya listening?  Remos did it ... so should you!!  Cirrus ran right over the top of Cessna causing Cessna to buy Columbia, as a defensive move.  Now it's YOUR turn to, likewise, run right over the top of Cessna in the LSA arena.  You're already #1 and if you sell enough CT's, it'll be years before there are enough CHESSNAs on the line to compete with you.  Now's your chance, boys.  Cessna can park its CHESSNA right next to its NGP in the Cessna museum if you do it right.

If folks reading this get the idea that THIS Cessna owner and former future customer is mad as hell and isn't gonna put up with what has happened, you'd be right!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:32:27 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Made in China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18613/18757#msg-18757</link>
      <author>wrbrent</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I think that Cessna has made a major mistake in manufacturing in China.  My experience with their exports is that they are garbage.  Chinese automotive tooling I had experience with which was ordered because of it's cheap price was junk.  Personally I would not knowingly eat or use any product made in China that I could be hurt using.  I guess that includes aircraft.

The Chinese have no respect for life, intellectual property rights or the wishes of their own people or customers or anyone else in the world.  As a business man I would avoid doing business with them.  The typical scenario is some bean counter looks at the cost of something and thinks they cannot afford purchase elsewhere.  The reality is all the other problems such as quality, theft of designs and long term viability are not factored in.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:23:48 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Made in China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18613/18753#msg-18753</link>
      <author>Jim Pratt</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Cessna's outsourcing of its aircraft manufacturing to China ensures that I will never buy another Cessna aircraft.  Cessna has been an American icon up until now, but not anymore.  So long Cessna.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:24:59 -0500</pubDate>
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      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18608/18752#msg-18752</link>
      <author>glenndarr</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Since the price was established and people put down deposits it was assumed that the Skycatcher (nee Flycatcher) was going to be built in the USA. Now that it is going to be built in China, for apparently a much cheaper building cost, are the depositers going to be given a less expensive final cost when their aircraft is delivered. Now that  Cessna has out sourced the whole airplane, they should reduce their delivery price. They probably are not going to do that, you think?
Glenn]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:46:49 -0500</pubDate>
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      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18608/18746#msg-18746</link>
      <author>Jeff</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I agree with the statement that this is like Harley Davidson being built in China. Cessna is an american aviation icon, having survived many a storm in the past. The corporate community is slowly but surely eroding the basis of our great country. This is a very sad time for our country. Not [u]even[/u] cool Mr. Pelton.]]></description>
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      <author>jplaxton00</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Yes, but the corporate CEOs would not be selling our country up the river to China if we the consumer stopped buying all this Made in China stuff.  Unfortunately we all have the same &quot;save a few bucks&quot; mentality about it, and the corporate CEOs know this.  My guess is that the Skycatcher will have record sales because the flight schools will buy them and we will rent them (great for training at about 1/3 the cost of a new Made in USA 172).  A few years later, we will buy the used 162s so the flight schools can go out and buy new ones.  Ask anyone from COO if they are willing to sell their airplane in protest and buy a Piper, or spend 3 times as much for a new 172 to train primary students.  Has anyone with a deposit on a Skycatcher actually cancelled their order in protest, or written Jack Pelton to express their concern? I haven't heard of a single one.

The problem we have now is that a lot of stuff is no longer made in the USA at all.  I tried to buy some after market parts for my Saturn. They don't make the parts in the US. You can only buy Made in China parts, even directly from the Saturn dealer. My guess is it is only a matter of time before this is true of all aircraft parts and accessories, and then new 172s, 182s, and 206s.  And we will buy it because it saves a few bucks, at least until so many of us are unemployed or working low paying service jobs that no one can afford to fly, period.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:13:08 -0500</pubDate>
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      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18608/18698#msg-18698</link>
      <author>Joe Patriot</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Basically what we have going on here in this country is our corporate CxO's all committing subtle acts of treason, in return for profit, by selling our country up the river to China, a communist foriegn superpower.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:42:18 -0500</pubDate>
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      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18608/18685#msg-18685</link>
      <author>Jack Hunter</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I can't feed my pets food made in China but Cessna will make sure I can fly my kids around in a plane made in China. Are they out of thier minds?
Whay to go Mr Pelton. Once again we all have been sold out to save a few dollars on the bottom line. I hope everyone that odered a 162 cancels the order. The CT is a much better plane anyway. You can trust the Germans to put out a good product.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:44:45 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: SkyCatcher - China</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/24/18670/18675#msg-18675</link>
      <author>Kristopher Hoopes</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I am very surprised at this move by Cessna. If I had interest in the 162 model, it is now gone. I can buy many other foreign made light sport aircraft, and from countries less threatening than China. I now realize that the Cessna of tomorrow may not be the good, American made product that the Cessna of yesterday was.

What is wrong with our manufacturers? I am beginning to think that China has bought into most of the large companies in the US. In an Alarming fashion, nearly all manufactured goods seem to be originating from there.

Next step- Tech support in India for the product????? Of perhaps from China as well?

Beware,this could set a precedent for support on all our Cessnas.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:41:14 -0500</pubDate>
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      <author>Dave</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I just wanted to express my opinion and hope you will all echo this email I just sent to Cessna.

I WILL NOT BUY, I WILL NOT FLY, I WILL NOT RIDE, 
WHEN YOU DECIDE - TO BUILD IN CHINA


Thank you,

Dave Miller
New Port Richey, FL]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:33:17 -0500</pubDate>
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      <author>Skyhawk172M</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I was very surprised myself, the people at Textron seem to be very good at their job and I know they are bright. I really wish the jobs were kept in the states and efforts made to produce/build production facilities here (USA), there are obvious reasons why this was done, I just pray that it pans out for Textron.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:46:55 -0500</pubDate>
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      <author>Brad</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The &quot;made in China&quot; news was very disappointing.  To me, this is kind of like a Harley-Davidson motorcycle being made in China.  Wonder how may order cancellations will be forthcoming??]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:19:53 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Made in China</title>
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      <author>joe</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I can see the lead in to the Leno monologue now... 

So what do the C-162, poison dog food, and lead paint toys all have in common? 

They are all &quot;Made in China&quot; to the same exacting safety standards.]]></description>
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      <title>Re: Cessna Chooses China's Shenyang Aircraft Corporation as Manufacturing Partner for Model 162 SkyCatcher</title>
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      <author>Joe</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I can see the lead in to the Leno monologue now...

So what do the C-162, poison dog food, and lead paint toys all have in common?

They are all &quot;Made in China&quot; to the same exacting safety standards.]]></description>
      <category>C-162 Skycatcher Forum</category>
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      <title>Cessna Chooses China's Shenyang Aircraft Corporation as Manufacturing Partner for Model 162 SkyCatcher</title>
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      <author>helpdesk</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Beijing, November 28, 2007 – Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron Inc. (NYSE: TXT) company, will partner with Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) to manufacture the new Model 162 SkyCatcher light sport aircraft (LSA). SAC is a subsidiary of China Aviation Industry Corporation I (AVIC I), which is a government-owned consortium of aircraft manufacturers. 

The company made the announcement today during a signing ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing. 

&quot;The LSA market demands the latest avionics, safety and reliability, light-weight equipment and a competitive price tag,&quot; said Cessna Chairman, President and CEO Jack J. Pelton. &quot;Our solution is to partner with SAC, a company with excellent facilities, state-of-the-art technologies and a workforce highly experienced in aircraft manufacturing. SkyCatcher customers will get an advanced design, high-quality workmanship and world-class product support, all at an affordable price from Cessna, a brand known and trusted worldwide.&quot; 

Cessna will design the aircraft and handle American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) compliance work, as well as provide on-site personnel to oversee manufacturing, quality assurance and technical design. SAC will be responsible for assembling the SkyCatcher. 

&quot;SAC greatly values the cooperation with Cessna, and sees Cessna as a significant partner in the general aviation segment. Since the start of the cooperation between the two companies that began in 2003, a good foundation has been established,&quot; said Chairman and President, Mr. Luo Yang of SAC. &quot;The communications and exchange of visits between the management of our two companies have strengthened the trust and understanding, which leads to today's signing of the Model 162 contract, making SAC the sole source supplier of this great airplane.&quot; 

President, Mr. Lin Zouming of AVIC I added, &quot;With the continual economic growth in China and the changes in China's policies for the general aviation industry, AVIC I has placed strategic importance on general aviation development and will strongly support and promote the business.&quot; 

Founded in 1951, SAC is a civilian and military aircraft manufacturer with 16,000 employees in Shenyang, China. Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, Spirit AeroSystems and Singapore Aerospace are just a few of SAC's clients. 

&quot;Through decades of joint production ventures and sub-assembly ventures with the industry's top manufacturers, SAC has emerged as the premier aircraft enterprise in China,&quot; Pelton said. &quot;That experience and their outstanding facilities and production capabilities make them the perfect partner for us on the SkyCatcher program.&quot; 

Cessna unveiled a proof-of-concept aircraft in July 2006 to gauge market response, then announced in July 2007 that it would proceed with development of a light sport aircraft, dubbed the Cessna 162 SkyCatcher. An introductory price of $109,500 USD will hold for the first 1,000 orders and then increase to $111,500 USD. Orders have already approached 900. 

The SkyCatcher features an exclusive Garmin glass cockpit - the G300 - and a Teledyne Continental O-200D 100-horsepower engine designed specifically for the LSA. The aircraft will cruise at speeds up to 118 knots and will have a maximum range of 470 nautical miles. It will be capable of Visual Flight Rules/Day/Night operations. 

The aircraft has a maximum gross weight of 1,320 pounds, a service ceiling of 15,500 feet, a useful load of 490 pounds and a usable fuel load of 24 gallons. Its cabin width at shoulder height is 44.25 inches, and two cabin entry doors and forward pivoting seats give access to a 12.5 cubic-foot baggage compartment. The SkyCatcher has tricycle landing gear with a castering nose wheel and standard dual toe-actuated disc brakes. 

The aluminum aircraft will meet ASTM standard F2245 for light sport aircraft. First flight of the prototype SkyCatcher is set for the first half of 2008 and deliveries are expected to begin in the second half of 2009. Cessna expects to produce up to 700 a year at full-rate production.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:44:09 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>BRS to be Optional on Skycatcher</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Ballistic Recovery Systems, Inc. (BRSI or BRSI.OB), a manufacturer of whole-airplane emergency parachute systems, announced today that Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron Inc. (NYSE: TXT) company, will offer a BRS system as an option in its new Light Sport Aircraft, the C-162 Skycatcher. This announcement further increases the list of aircraft manufacturers who have selected Ballistic Recovery Systems to provide a whole-airplane parachute system for their aircraft. 

“We’ve been working with Cessna since the beginning on their remarkable new design and we are pleased that they see the value in having leading-edge safety features like the BRS system on board,” said Larry Williams, BRS Chief Executive Officer. 

The new Cessna two-seater is filled with new technologies. It has a Garmin glass cockpit, gull wing doors, a new-styled control stick that takes up less space than a conventional yoke and now a BRS 
parachute system which will bring the whole airplane safely back to earth in the event of an in-flight emergency. The BRS parachute will sit aft of the seats, modeling the current installations available 
for the Cessna Skyhawk and Skylane models.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:33:20 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Skycatcher Sales Exceed $75 Million</title>
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      <author>glenndarr</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The 162 is a cute airplane. But several things about it amazes me. The price is awfully high for an &quot;entry level&quot; aircraft. One look at the panel says that this aircraft is a &quot;taa&quot;, but you only need 20 hours to learn to fly the thing! Maybe I am getting old, but the simple &quot;steam&quot; gauges seem like the thing to have on this type of plane. Then, maybe, the prices would be a bit more reasonable. Cessna seems to have done a job of overkill on this model of plane. As for me, I will stick with my 40 year old 172, which has served me just fine.
Glenn]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:39:16 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Skycatcher Sales Exceed $75 Million</title>
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      <author>helpdesk</author>
      <description><![CDATA[ip568:

Having spent more than a little time at the Cessna SkyCatcher exhibit in Oshkosh, it appeared that the folks actually placing orders fell primarily into two camps.

The first were flight schools looking to replacing aging trainers, probably runout 150's, 152's &amp; 172's.

The second group appeared to be aging pilots who are current Cessna aircraft owners, but concerned about passing their medicals in the not-too-distant future. I spoke with a number of pilots that fell into this group.

In either case, the six-figure asking price obviously did not represent a barrier, as the cash registers were clearly ringing.

You are right on target regarding the values of the certified aircraft that meet the LSA definition. This EAA article describes the Ercoupe market:

http://www.airventure.org/2007/7sat28/lsa_ercoupe.html]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:24:06 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Skycatcher Sales Exceed $75 Million</title>
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      <author>ip568</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The LSA/Sport Pilot concept was blown by the FAA, as was the recreational pilot concept. The manufacturers assured the FAA that they would produce LSA aircraft for approx. $30,000 and begged the FAA to make the LSA max gross limit under the weight of most current aircraft, thus excluding such &quot;big iron&quot; as the Cessna 120/140/150/152, etc. The manufacturers rewarded the FAA and the industry with the $90,000 - $130,000 LSA, far beyond the price range of most potential buyers. It has been good for owners of Champs, Cubs, etc., since the value of these airplanes has automatically doubled under LSA. But with the FAA now run by lawyers who have not actually ever flown an aircraft, I expect no change for the better.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:02:35 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Skycatcher Sales Exceed $75 Million</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Cessna SkyCatcher Light Sport Aircraft Orders Top $75 Million 
  
    
Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron Inc. (NYSE: TXT) company, announced that orders for its newly announced SkyCatcher light sport aircraft (LSA) reached 720, totaling more than $75 Million, only two weeks after its official launch at the Experimental Aircraft Association's annual meeting, AirVenture 2007. 

&quot;It has been very exciting to see the overwhelmingly positive response from our customers on the SkyCatcher, and the affirmative reaction to this offering reflects the overall continuing strength in the general aviation market around the globe,&quot; said Jack. J. Pelton, Cessna chairman, president and CEO. 

Cessna originally announced it was studying an LSA entry at the 2006 AirVenture in Oshkosh, unveiling a proof-of-concept aircraft to gauge market response. The company announced July 10 it would proceed with development of a new LSA product, and unveiled the SkyCatcher at a press conference on July 22, 2007. 

The SkyCatcher features an exclusive Garmin glass cockpit - the G300 - and a Teledyne Continental O-200D 100-horsepower engine designed specifically for light sport aircraft. 

Details and ordering information for the new Cessna SkyCatcher can be found at http://www.cessnaskycatcher.com or by contacting a local Cessna dealer.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:44:10 -0400</pubDate>
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