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    <pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:14:18 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Instrument Rating</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/19310/19315#msg-19315</link>
      <author>jplaxton00</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hi Reece;

I have been working on my instrument rating now for a while, and am getting close to taking the check ride (probably another month).  I also did the Gliem on-line course and used a copy of the Gliem book as well.  Since the book is focused on passing the FAA test, much of the understanding doesn't really come until you start applying it in the air.  As I was taking instruction, my instructor and I were reviewing the ground school materials and discussing how it applied to flight planning and the actual flight.  I took the exam after about 30 hours of IFR flying, and passed the exam with a good score.

One thing to remember is that there is an oral portion to the flight exam, so we are still reviewing the material as I prepare for the flight check.  I hope I can report in a month or so that I have my instrument rating.

Jon]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:14:18 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Instrument Rating</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/19310/19310#msg-19310</link>
      <author>reecedaniel</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I would like to hear any opinions on getting an instrument rating just to increase my skills and to fly in &quot;soft&quot; IFR conditions. I have a Cessna 150 that is IFR certified and I have been working with the Gliem ground school package but have not gotten very serious yet.

What I would like to know is;
Does it become any easier as time goes along to understand ALL that new information?
Would you recommend some time with an instructor before finishing the ground portion, if so, why?

Thanks in advance for any input here.
Reece]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:27:42 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Virtual Instrument Training</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/19006/19093#msg-19093</link>
      <author>Tim Robertson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Followed your advice and got the program over the internet last week. Well, you were right. Its not a flight simulator but the best thing I have seen to understand those instruments. And guess what, I just got the new issue of &quot;fliegermagazin&quot;... germanys biggest monthly Pilot magazin. They are suggesting nav2go in the march issue.

gret deal fro the price they are asking.

all the best
tim]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:10:43 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: RE: buying a plane....</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/17446/19008#msg-19008</link>
      <author>MOX</author>
      <description><![CDATA[WOW...$8,700 for insurance.  Are you flyin an 8 seat turbine?
My insurance for a 172 SP (120hr private pilot..non instrument)
is just over $1,500.00 per year.  Either you are a pilot
of a very serious aircraft or...you need to check out insurance
thru AOPA.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:08:41 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Virtual Instrument Training</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/19006/19006#msg-19006</link>
      <author>MOX</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I've found a great &quot;virtual&quot; training tool
for all [b]Instrument[/b] students.  Check out
Nav2Go.com
I'm in now way affiliated with this vendor.
I've used this product for several months
and think its good enough to share with the
Cessna Owner Org. members. 
The author, Peter Voss, is always available 
to help with questions or to add additional
(personal) IDs for your other PC's or lap tops.
THIS IS A GREAT TRAINING TOOL.  CHECK IT OUT.

~MOX]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:40:56 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: 3D Cessna models</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/13109/18442#msg-18442</link>
      <author>2 years late</author>
      <description><![CDATA[www.turbosquid.com]]></description>
      <category>Training</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:04:29 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Prop System</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/18162/18162#msg-18162</link>
      <author>Steven Hewlett</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Does anyone know where I could find a good picture/schematic for the Cessna 172 RG (Cutlass II) prop system? Please e-mail me at SierraMike3@hotmail.com]]></description>
      <category>Training</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:12:23 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: buying a plane....</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/17446/17592#msg-17592</link>
      <author>Martha Davis</author>
      <description><![CDATA[well it really depends. I am almost ready to have a check ride. I have had a plane since April. I have kept real good track of what it costs, and except for the initial cost, sales tax to the tune of 9,000, and insurance of 8,700. It almost is a break even. I am probably getting in more hours, because the &quot;cost&quot; isn't as obvious, only when I have to make the payment. My plane is on lease back, so there are the 50 hours and 100 hours that come around real fast, and the flight school probably charges more than an independant mechanic. they also don't get me paid until the end of the month and then I am the one with the short cash flow as they are using my money all month.  any more questions? MD]]></description>
      <category>Training</category>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:34:36 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Free FAA Safety Seminars - Stevens Point, Wisconsin</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/17509/17509#msg-17509</link>
      <author>Help Desk</author>
      <description><![CDATA[July 28, 2007.  Stevens Point Municipal Airport. 10am to Noon  

FREE Safety Seminar.  Echo Airspace: A complete look at Class E airspace.  $3 BBQs/Beverages.  10% Fuel Discount.  Dinner/Theater meeting scheduled 10AM - Noon. Register with www.faasafety.gov. For questions contact:  Wanda Zuege 715-252-3326 wzuegeatp@sprintpcs.com

 

September 8, 2007.  Stevens Point Municipal Airport. 10am to Noon

FREE Safety Seminar.  Doing Delta? A complete look at Class D airspace.  $3 BBQs/Beverages.  10% Fuel Discount.  Dinner/Theater meeting scheduled 10AM - Noon. Register with www.faasafety.gov. For questions contact:  Wanda Zuege 715-252-3326 wzuegeatp@sprintpcs.com

 

October 13, 2007.  Stevens Point Municipal Airport. 10am to Noon

FREE Safety Seminar.  Classy Charlie.  A complete look at Class C airspace.  $3 BBQs/Beverages.  10% Fuel Discount.  Dinner/Theater meeting scheduled 10AM - Noon. Register with www.faasafety.gov. For questions contact:  Wanda Zuege 715-252-3326 wzuegeatp@sprintpcs.com

 

November 10, 2007.  Stevens Point Municipal Airport. 10am to Noon

FREE Safety Seminar.  Brave Bravo! A complete look at Class B airspace.  $3 BBQs/Beverages.  10% Fuel Discount.  Dinner/Theater meeting scheduled 10AM - Noon. Register with www.faasafety.gov. For questions contact:  Wanda Zuege 715-252-3326 wzuegeatp@sprintpcs.com

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      <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:39:54 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>buying a plane....</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/17446/17446#msg-17446</link>
      <author>mike mcghee</author>
      <description><![CDATA[IVE BEEN TALKING TO LOTS OF PEOPLE ABOUT BUYING A PLANE TO FINISH MY FLIGHT TRAINING, CURRENTLY JUST ABOUT TO FINISH MY INSTRUMENT AND PLAN ON GOING ALL THE WAY TO MY CFI'S. SO FROM ANYONE'S PAST EXPERIANCES WHICH WOULD BE A CHEAPER ROUTE  RENTING OR BUYING?????THANKS]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:47:40 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>URGENT P210 Checkride - Birmingham, Alabama</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/17329/17329#msg-17329</link>
      <author>helpdesk</author>
      <description><![CDATA[We are in urgent need of a CFI capable of providing a checkout in a newly purchased P210. The aircraft and pilot are currently located in Birmingham, Alabama. This request is the result of a medical emergency that just cropped
up, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

If you are familiar with the P210 systems and can assist, please post here or contact the COO Member Support Desk at 1-888-692-3776, ext. 118.

Thank you.    ]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:27:59 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: 310 training</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/15699/16914#msg-16914</link>
      <author>Bryan Ward</author>
      <description><![CDATA[David,

I am way late on this one, but just in case you ever see this....you might want to join the twin cessna forum at twincessna.org and ask these kinds of questions.  

If you need R model advice, feel free to email anytime.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:23:30 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>IFR Instructions</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/16768/16768#msg-16768</link>
      <author>Robert Eugene Lee</author>
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      <category>Training</category>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:03:11 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: XP Stall Speeds</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/14677/16757#msg-16757</link>
      <author>Jakes Dekker</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Here's what I would have done: At safe altitude, do a stall at 10 and 40 degrees, and see by how much % they deviate from what the POH says. Then do the same with 20 and 30 degrees flaps, and just work it backwards by the same %. At least it should give a good approximate value.

Makes sense or nonsense?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:36:51 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Spin Training Debate</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/16701/16701#msg-16701</link>
      <author>Randy</author>
      <description><![CDATA[NTSB Identification: LAX06FA200
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Thursday, June 08, 2006 in Peoria, AZ
Aircraft: Cessna 152, registration: N627PA
Injuries: 2 Fatal.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On June 08, 2006, about 1545 mountain standard time, a Cessna 152, N627PA, collided with terrain near Peoria, Arizona. Pan Am International Flight Academy was operating the airplane under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91. The certified flight instructor (CFI), who held a commercial pilot certificate, and the second pilot, who held a private pilot certificate, were fatally injured. The airplane was substantially damaged. The CFI was providing dual flight instruction to the private pilot. The local training flight departed from Phoenix Deer Valley Airport, Phoenix, Arizona, about 1445. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and a flight plan had not been filed.

According to the operator, the flight was scheduled as a spin training lesson. The student was enrolled in the multiengine CFI course, which required spin training as part of the curriculum. 

The wreckage was located at 33 degrees 50.53 minutes north latitude and 112 degrees 25.06 minutes west longitude. The elevation was approximately 2,150 feet mean sea level (msl).
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      <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:47:20 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>FREE Aviation Weather eLearning Session - April 12th</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/16226/16226#msg-16226</link>
      <author>Scott Dennstaedt</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Due to the huge response, Chesapeake Aviation Training is proud to offer another complementary eLearning session...

How to get the most out of your Internet weather briefing

When:  April 12, 2006 at 7 pm EST or 10 pm EST (7 pm PST)
Where:  Online
Price:  FREE
Instructor:  Scott C. Dennstaedt, CFI and meteorologist

Don't miss out on this opportunity to tune up your preflight weather briefings.  You do not have to be a registered or paid member of The Weather Report
(http://www.chesavtraining.com/phpBB2/index.php) to take advantage of this limited opportunity.   Seating for both sessions will be limited and based on the order of registration.  To find out more about this FREE opportunity and to register please visit us online at:

http://chesavtraining.com/free_online_elearning.htm

Don't miss our next eLearning topic, &quot;An introduction to the Skew-T diagram.&quot;  This next eLearning session is a mini-series be held in three one hour sessions starting on the evening of March 29, 2006.  
Visit us at http://chesavtraining.com/intro_to_skew-t.htm for more info]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:24:05 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Introduction to the Skew-T Diagram starts March 29th</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/16225/16225#msg-16225</link>
      <author>Scott Dennstaedt</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Chesapeake Aviation Training is proud to introduce an eLearning mini-series...

Introduction to the Skew-T Diagram

When:  March 29, 2006  - Session 1 of 3 
(see eLearning calendar below for session date/time)
Where:  Online
Price:  $99
Instructor:  Scott C. Dennstaedt, CFI and Meteorologist

A thermodynamic diagram such as the Skew-T Log(P) provides the pilot with a unique way to visualize the potential for adverse weather at your departure and destination airports and along your route of flight.  Discover the location of convective and stratus cloud bases, cloud tops, icing potential, convective potential, turbulence and a lot more.  Don't miss this chance to join a live session spread over three evenings to learn more about this amazing tool.      

For more info visit:  http://chesavtraining.com/intro_to_skew-t.htm

This eLearning opportunity will be held in three one-hour evening sessions with an additional 15 minutes allowed for questions and discussion during and after the presentation.  See the link below for the exact dates and times of the program. 

Visit our eLearning calendar at:
http://my.calendars.net/wx_eLearning

If you have any questions or would like to test the compatibility of your hardware configuration please e-mail us at contact@chesavtraining.com.
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      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:58:15 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>FREE Aviation Weather eLearning Session - March 21st</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/16057/16057#msg-16057</link>
      <author>Scott Dennstaedt</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Chesapeake Aviation Training is proud to introduce another complementary eLearning session...

Who cares about pilot reports?

When: March 21, 2006 at 7 pm EST (4 pm PST) or 10 pm EST (7 pm PST)
Where: Online
Length: 60 minutes
Price: FREE
Instructor: Scott C. Dennstaedt, CFI and meteorologist

Don't miss out on this opportunity to learn about how your pilot reports are used by weather forecasters. Tips on what reports are critical to weather forecasters and how to successfully file a pilot report that meets their needs. Seating for both sessions will be limited and based on the order of registration. 

More info&gt; http://chesavtraining.com/online_elearning.htm


Don't miss our next eLearning topic, &quot;An introduction to the Skew-T diagram.&quot; This next eLearning session is a mini-series be held in three one hour sessions starting on the evening of March 3rd or March 5th. 

More info &gt; http://chesavtraining.com/intro_to_skew-t.htm 

See our eLearning Calendar for dates and times of all of our current eLearning opportunities. Visit http://chesavtraining.com 


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      <pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:46:50 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: HLEP</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/15687/16043#msg-16043</link>
      <author>Bill</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Not sure exactly what you are looking for but maybe this site: http://www.micro-tools.com/pdf/Cessna/

Will be of some help, look at the POH's for some selected models.

Bill]]></description>
      <category>Training</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:21:28 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>aircraft training and owner</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/15745/15745#msg-15745</link>
      <author>edi</author>
      <description><![CDATA[ I am an aircraft technician at indonesia 
iI am holder licences avionics from dgac indonesia
who is owner cessn ain indonesia 
any told me
]]></description>
      <category>Training</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:35:39 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>310 training</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/15699/15699#msg-15699</link>
      <author>David Goad</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I live in Florida and need 310 instruction, 10 hours instructor w/aircraft. If not in Florida, nearest location.

Thanks
David]]></description>
      <category>Training</category>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:25:30 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>HLEP</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/15687/15687#msg-15687</link>
      <author>JONES</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Anyone can oeffer me series of CESSNA airplant's start engine progress ???
thank...]]></description>
      <category>Training</category>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:15:16 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: Instrument Aircraft Platform</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/12739/15603#msg-15603</link>
      <author>Sac Flyer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The 430 has overlays for most, if not all precision and non-precision approaches.  My experience when using the 430 as (an approved) substitute to an ADF was that its fixes agreed with the published procedures, and you can fly the approach a lot more precisely with the GPS.  I also use it in overlay mode for both ILS and localizer approaches, for situational awareness but of course I would have my CDI set to the localizer.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:17:38 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Instrument Training</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/12731/15257#msg-15257</link>
      <author>Patrick Wilson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I purchased the Sporty's Instrument package a few weeks ago and have decided I am going to do the 10 day thing with an instructor coming to me.  If you want the set, it's NEW, never used and I'll sell it to you for 199.95 shipped priority mail to you.  Just let me know.

I'm on eBay as pwquinton and you can check my feedback there.

Patrick W.

N8557U

www.w4pw.org
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      <pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:41:59 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: Spin Training</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/12745/15094#msg-15094</link>
      <author>Gary</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I started my training in the late 70's after years of reading the aftermath columns in Flying. I'd seen a ton of stories about stall-spins so I shopped for an instructor that would teach spins based on the theory that if I knew what it felt like to get into a spin I'd not only know how to get out but would be more likely to avoid the problem at low levels.

We flew a straight tail 150. I find that spinning with an instructor is much more fun that spinning when solo but I still practice the manuver at least a few times / quarter in my 56 172 (spins are approved in the utility category). 

I have had at least two experiences flying with someone else as PIC when I've pushed in the power after my butt told me we were close. Both cases were on short final with the plane way off the centerline and the pilot was trying to skid the plane back on course while really slow.  I can't prove we'd have gone in if the power hadn't come on but I believe it was close both times. I'd go for the training.  

I've scheduled a few hours of unusual attitude training when my next BFR is due because I've talked to several people that were flipped while low (each time due to wake turbulence).  I know the theory of how to roll the plane but I've never tried it. I've decided to get some hands on with the hope I could react instead of think if I was ever in that situation by accident.

Gary

Gary]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:53:37 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>XP Stall Speeds</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/14677/14677#msg-14677</link>
      <author>Dal Eaton</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have a 1977 Cessna R172 Hawk XP.
The P.O.H. only shows stall speeds for 10 &amp; 40 degrees of flaps. Note the speeds are not linear ( for 0 deg. bank )
so I can not interpolate. Can someone tell me where to find stall speeds for 20 &amp; 30 degrees of flaps?
Thanks]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:25:49 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: Instrument Aircraft Platform</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/12739/14643#msg-14643</link>
      <author>Barry Schneidman</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Paul,

Just to be cute.  The regs say (and I paraphase) you have to have the appropriate navigational system to fly the approach, e.g. to do an NDB approach you have to have an operable ADF on board.  BUT the regs never said you have to turn it on!

(You'd be foolish not too and it isn't he spirit of the rule; but I thought I would share that with you!)   

I tried this on a flight but I turned on and used the ADF to fly the apporach.  I found out that my handheld GPS (Garmin 295) and ADF disagreed considerable when finding the IAF (the NDB).  The Garmin approach starts the NDB approach about 5 nm from the airport on the correct bearing, it doesn't use the NDB or have a IAF. It uses an artifical FAF. Considering you are above and within the MSA it would probably be safe, but not a good idea.  What does the Garmin 430 (panel mounted IFR certified GPS) do with an NDB approach)?  Does it even have one?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:22:17 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: VOR Question</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/14292/14634#msg-14634</link>
      <author>Bruce Cook</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I've never noticed a VOR without a compass rose other than in highly congested areas covered by a Terminal chart.  I think there were a couple like that that were on the TAC but just the VOR was shown on the sectional....not sure I don't have that backwards.

On the other hand, who cares.....GPS baby.....just kidding

Bruce]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:33:44 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: VOR Question</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/14292/14425#msg-14425</link>
      <author>Bill</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Not sure if this is the official reason but some vor's are not necessarily part of victor airways but they are used to help locate intersections. Not having a compass rose, this may also help to avoid chart clutter.

Bill

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      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:25:32 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>VOR Question</title>
      <link>http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/7/14292/14292#msg-14292</link>
      <author>rich</author>
      <description><![CDATA[On sectional charts some VOR's have compass roses and others do not. What is the offical reason why there is a difference?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:25:30 -0400</pubDate>
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